Revo flashed Mk5 Vs Honda s 2000.

[boostedJTi]

Originally Posted by 9kfever

Too bad that car isn't in so cal or we would have an s2k hand it its ass. Seeing you in Florida I am sure that the tuner Mase has a few s2ks he can put you in contact with. There is always a faster car out there. We were posting just to show these guys on here that claim a stock gti can take an s2k that they are racing bad drivers.

No arguement, but from a dig, the dsg GTi has a slight advantage.

As far as faster cars, I can always find a faster audi than an s2k or find a rx7, but that's not being fair.

[03Ap1]

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

Yes until your S owners began stating their slightly modded S's could take on the mod savey GTi's. Then it became a fist fight.

I'm down for a race, but once it's over, this is done. The GTi will win, and I'm no ****y person... Ok I'm lying, but nonetheless, From a dig, the car is set-up to run. A chip alone puts the car at 215whp, the intake adds onto that, the weight reduction helps, the dogbone mount eliminated any and all wheel hop... Don't need power mods to be fast, just a good driver...

I myself have driven s2k's, I know how well they handle, and if it came down to that, i'd side along with you all, but that isn't the case. And merely, this thread was based off of a question as to whether a chipped mkv could beat a s2k...

I'll agree with you on mod'd vs mod'd (unless the S is FI) LOL. But I didn't read any post arguing your "just mentioned" point. But I'm still going to argue that a "chipped" GTi will need more than that to beat an S.

But YES, MOD for MOD w/S retaining it N/A w/no FI... The GTi will be faster in a str8 line if it has enough MODs (which isn't that much to get it there)

[boostedJTi]

Originally Posted by 9kfever

The OP said he hung with an S2k and I said I believed that. This debate stems from the numerous posters who act like its written in the bible that a stock mkv or even mkiv will take out an s2k no problem.

That stems off to someones misreading the post or who knows what, I myself have raced a few s2ks, yet to lose and I've always owned an mkiv... But on that note, I've never driven a stock car, out of the 7 i've owned...

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Originally Posted by SimplyRevs

You guys are so misinformed about s2000's, it's not even funny.

And you know all about dubs is that true? Seriously who in the f*ck are you douche bags to come into another forum and sh*t talk the members because your cars are slower than ours? Our power isn't all up top, like yours is. And I don't know alot about sh*t either but I'm sure that my car is faster than it.

P.s. I would try to fit in with the honda crowd but I don't want to go through a full frontal lobotomy and castration to get the same attitude towards cars that you guys have,most of you are f*ckin narrow minded ignorant idiots

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Originally Posted by 03Ap1

I'll agree with you on mod'd vs mod'd (unless the S is FI) LOL. But I didn't read any post arguing your "just mentioned" point. But I'm still going to argue that a "chipped" GTi will need more than that to beat an S.
But YES, MOD for MOD w/S retaining it N/A w/no FI... The GTi will be faster in a str8 line if it has enough MODs (which isn't that much to get it there)

You are at least more intelligent than the rest of them, but I have to respectfully disagree with you. I have seen the runs and I've seen stock vs. stock and the gti wins, believe me the s2k owner was pissed, maybe it was driver error who knows. But when you throw a chip into the equation on the gti's part it becomes much less a drivers race and more of speed, and I'm actually wondering this what do you s2k guys launch at?

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Originally Posted by 9kfever

Too bad that car isn't in so cal or we would have an s2k hand it its ass. Seeing you in Florida I am sure that the tuner Mase has a few s2ks he can put you in contact with. There is always a faster car out there. We were posting just to show these guys on here that claim a stock gti can take an s2k that they are racing bad drivers.

It may have been a bad driver once but every time? come on really? And believe me I know my car isn't the fastest thing out there I would never say it is, hell there's a 1.8t pushing 655. I would love t run on an s2k not many that I see around here, but this thread def. got out of hand, you're going to say an s2k will win, we're going to say that the GTi is gonna win, maybe it really is that dependent on the driver who knows lets just say that stock for stock no car would walk on the other unless a noob driver is involved

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Originally Posted by 03Ap1

They are fanboi's. They talk ish about the ricer civics and skittles who think their car is the fastest car on the planet. These guys are no better.
EDIT: Some.. not all.

Look man I know my car isn't the fastest thing out, and I know that you guys that have just joined are most likely not ricers, never said ya were. You really don't need to talk sh*t to ricer civic's do ya? Look I like s2k's and I def. don't take them lightly. sorry if you it came off as I disrespected them but they won't hang with my car, don't feel bad 911's don't either

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YouTube - s2000 vs gti

YouTube - Gti vs S2000

YouTube - gti vs s2k

YouTube - MK5 GTI vs S2000

[SimplyRevs]

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

Yes until your S owners began stating their slightly modded S's could take on the mod savey GTi's. Then it became a fist fight.

I'm down for a race, but once it's over, this is done. The GTi will win, and I'm no ****y person... Ok I'm lying, but nonetheless, From a dig, the car is set-up to run. A chip alone puts the car at 215whp, the intake adds onto that, the weight reduction helps, the dogbone mount eliminated any and all wheel hop... Don't need power mods to be fast, just a good driver...

I myself have driven s2k's, I know how well they handle, and if it came down to that, i'd side along with you all, but that isn't the case. And merely, this thread was based off of a question as to whether a chipped mkv could beat a s2k...

Originally Posted by dlight88

It may have been a bad driver once but every time? come on really? And believe me I know my car isn't the fastest thing out there I would never say it is, hell there's a 1.8t pushing 655. I would love t run on an s2k not many that I see around here, but this thread def. got out of hand, you're going to say an s2k will win, we're going to say that the GTi is gonna win, maybe it really is that dependent on the driver who knows lets just say that stock for stock no car would walk on the other unless a noob driver is involved

Originally Posted by dlight88

And you know all about dubs is that true? Seriously who in the f*ck are you douche bags to come into another forum and sh*t talk the members because your cars are slower than ours? Our power isn't all up top, like yours is. And I don't know alot about sh*t either but I'm sure that my car is faster than it.

P.s. I would try to fit in with the honda crowd but I don't want to go through a full frontal lobotomy and castration to get the same attitude towards cars that you guys have,most of you are f*ckin narrow minded ignorant idiots

You see that's where your wrong, though. It's the GTI that has to be "mod savey" to even be able to hang with a stock s2000. Stock MK5's would be lucky to run a 14.5-6@94-95 mph, with probably a 2.2+ 60ft.....There's really no need to"fight" when comparing a car that traps at least 5 mph slower, on a bad day. Not to mention almost a full second slower in the 1/4 mile. I'm sorry. There's really nothing to compare, or is there? Twisties...Hmmm, wait, I won't even go there..nevermind.



And Dlight: Your saying a stock MK4 GTI has a better chance?? How do you figure?! Seriously how dense are you guys? The MK4 will run even slower times then the MK5..



It will take a pretty much full bolt-on MK4 to put down 210-215 Front wheel HP; pretty much maxing out the small stock turbo with out meth. What's that good for...a 102 or 103mph trap? With a dying powerband as speeds increase on the highway, and 4th and 5th gears are [in your case] exposed...

That car right there will pretty much be a drivers race with a stock s2000.





And I'm well aware theres/was a 655whp 1.8T mk4 that runs high 10's out there. It's one of my friends car! But I thought this was about a chipped GTI being able to hang with a stock s2000... And bottom line, MK4 or MK5 with just a chip would get worked by an S2000, who knows his ass from his face. A 97 or 98 mph traps not gonna do it. And that high 10 second 1.8T would get raped by InlinePro's low 9 second, stock suspension S2000.

[SimplyRevs]

And Dlight. I find it really funny how it takes a Stage 2, PLUS methanol, 280WHP GTI MKV to pull maybe 1/2 a car on an s2000 only running an intake, testpipe, and one of the weakest possible tunes out there for an s2000...hondata..Giving that s2000 a total of 5, maybe 10 whp over a stock s2000. That's hilarious!

GIAC software, intake, hp fuel pump, turbo-back exhaust, fmic, meth (50%), and a neuspeed pulley. Dyno'd 280whp and 307ft.lbs to the wheels. And that's all it's got?? Seriously??


God forbid you actually see a boosted S2000..

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Look I like the s2k I really do, it's a very capable and tunable platform, as for the 650+whp gti that was just showing that I am full aware that there are many cars out there that are faster than me, and if you know the guy with the 650+ gti then you knw when he ran the 1/4 he blew off his vac hoses in 4th gear and missed second and still ran an 11. somethin, regardless of that, I don't know that I ever said an MKIV has a better chance but I've seen them win, I think you guys severly underestimate the power a chip gives to a boosted car, we are talkin a legit extra 50 hp to the wheels. Plus I guarantee that my GTi has a much better shot at taking down an s2k then most of the Mkv's on here, and I really didn't even read in the vids I searched for GTi vs. S2000 and posted what I found. And I love to see boosted s2000s but comparing a boosted s2000 would be a better match for a boosted R32 or a Bt Gti. And Finally I know the guy that drove the s2000 against the gti, and he is a good driver, however I didn't know the guy in the gti nor do I know what he did to it, but it was def. still on the stock turbo
P.s. I am actually very interested in what you guys launch at, not bein a smart ass just really want to know

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Originally Posted by dlight88

And I love to see boosted s2000s but comparing a boosted s2000 would be a better match for a boosted R32 or a Bt Gti.

Like this one

YouTube - Golf R32 Turbo 742 BHP

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Originally Posted by 9kfever

This sounds like the arguement an s2k owner would make considering you launch the car right in peak tq. I think you are assuming that the s2ks launch at 3k or something. Um no

I was saying I (we) launch at around 3k, forgot to use proper punctuation, and you guys launching I dunno because you have a weird powerband, but it'd be cool if you told me

Originally Posted by 9kfever

You sir know nothing about the s2k's gearing. You will never see anything below 6k in a drag race if driven properly. From a roll it will never drop below 6500 unless you start in first gear in which it drops to 6k for a brief second on the 1-2 shift.

You're right I know you have very high revving motors with usable power way above and beyond what I am able to get to without cams and valves/springs & retainers, and our cars don't drop a sh*t load between shifts either I guess it's that we have a much broader powerband so even if we shift early it's fine, know what I mean?

Originally Posted by Silverstonejedi

Just waiting for bait, 9k.....lol. I can do a friendly comparo..=) and will put this to rest....LOL
Why does it seem all the ignorrant people are on the east coast....lmao

I'll run you no problem, and if you're going to call some one ignorant at least do yourself a favor and spell it right
On a side note 9kfever so you're supercharged huh? Any reason in particular that you went that route vs turbo? Just curious

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Originally Posted by 9kfever

Yea all jokes aside we are all car enthusiasts. Someone in Socal race Jedi. Mine is supercharged. We can all meet up and shoot the ****. I would love to check out some GTi's as I haven't really kept up with them since the day I testdrove one nearly 6 years ago.

Ok so then you guys should be able to acknowledge that we too are car enthusiasts here I love modding my car as much as the next guy, but why come into our forum and start talkin smack? seriously if you guys have had exp. with running on gti's I'd love to hear it, no lie I love learning about dif types of cars and junk but it seems like you guys are just here to **** people off, so 9k you most likely drove the '02 right? How'd you like it? any likes dislikes from a honda guys perspective?

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Originally Posted by SimplyRevs

It will take a pretty much full bolt-on MK4 to put down 210-215 Front wheel HP; pretty much maxing out the small stock turbo with out meth. What's that good for...a 102 or 103mph trap? With a dying powerband as speeds increase on the highway, and 4th and 5th gears are [in your case] exposed...
That car right there will pretty much be a drivers race with a stock s2000.

A full bolt on on the K03 will net you about 260 and 320
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2901711
You do a bit more and have an 04+ and you have a K03s turbo capable of just under 300, granted thats pushing the limits of it but hey I'm just showin what it can do, plus my car still pulls hard as hell in 4th and fifth, don't like to pull hard in 5th because it wears out the clutch but if it comes down to it I will, plus 102-103 is the top of 3rd gear

[boostedJTi]

Originally Posted by SimplyRevs

It will take a pretty much full bolt-on MK4 to put down 210-215 Front wheel HP; pretty much maxing out the small stock turbo with out meth.

This is where you are wrong.... Again... Ever heard of APR? Their 93 octane chip alone puts you at 213/247 to the wheels. No intake, no exhaust, just the chip. What's stage 2? Oh add about a good 20-30 more whp because the stock exhaust on a mkiv is only about 2". Sad part is, at this point, you've spent MAYBE 2k and you've got more whp than a stock s2k, and it cost less than half what an s2k does.


Simply, you say you want a race, then fine. Let's race, but do watch yourself as I will be driving dlight's car, and I must tell you, I am no amateur.

[03Ap1]

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

This is where you are wrong.... Again... Ever heard of APR? Their 93 octane chip alone puts you at 213/247 to the wheels. No intake, no exhaust, just the chip. What's stage 2? Oh add about a good 20-30 more whp because the stock exhaust on a mkiv is only about 2". Sad part is, at this point, you've spent MAYBE 2k and you've got more whp than a stock s2k, and it cost less than half what an s2k does.


Simply, you say you want a race, then fine. Let's race, but do watch yourself as I will be driving dlight's car, and I must tell you, I am no amateur.

For less money, your GTi is capable of outrunning an S in a straight line. I can only speak of my experience and I've only had one run-in w/an 07 GTi as I stated earlier. He wasn't a bad driver and we did 3 or 4 runs from various starting speeds. 1st two runs were from 10mph, one from 30 mph and one from 40 mph.

GTi's mods: APR chip, exhaust, intake, rims, and I believe that is it but I am uncertain.
My mods at the time was dual invidia exhaust and berk test pipe. From every pull we did it was even up to the top of 3rd and then I would walk him.

With just a chip and basic bolt ons - drivers race.

Dlight = S's typically launch around 6 - 7k.

[SimplyRevs]

Originally Posted by dlight88

Look I like the s2k I really do, it's a very capable and tunable platform, as for the 650+whp gti that was just showing that I am full aware that there are many cars out there that are faster than me, and if you know the guy with the 650+ gti then you knw when he ran the 1/4 he blew off his vac hoses in 4th gear and missed second and still ran an 11. somethin, regardless of that, I don't know that I ever said an MKIV has a better chance but I've seen them win, I think you guys severly underestimate the power a chip gives to a boosted car, we are talkin a legit extra 50 hp to the wheels. Plus I guarantee that my GTi has a much better shot at taking down an s2k then most of the Mkv's on here, and I really didn't even read in the vids I searched for GTi vs. S2000 and posted what I found. And I love to see boosted s2000s but comparing a boosted s2000 would be a better match for a boosted R32 or a Bt Gti. And Finally I know the guy that drove the s2000 against the gti, and he is a good driver, however I didn't know the guy in the gti nor do I know what he did to it, but it was def. still on the stock turbo
P.s. I am actually very interested in what you guys launch at, not bein a smart ass just really want to know

Different car. My boy's was the 1'st 1.8T to run in the 10's. While making just over 650whp. It was USP's car.

Personally I launch right ~ 8.2-8.5K... 1.9 60 ft's on stock tires and stock power levels.

Originally Posted by dlight88

A full bolt on on the K03 will net you about 260 and 320
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2901711
You do a bit more and have an 04+ and you have a K03s turbo capable of just under 300, granted thats pushing the limits of it but hey I'm just showin what it can do, plus my car still pulls hard as hell in 4th and fifth, don't like to pull hard in 5th because it wears out the clutch but if it comes down to it I will, plus 102-103 is the top of 3rd gear

I said without METH! Congrats if one lucky guy with METH achieved those numbers. Depending on the mix, a good 30 or 40 of that hp came from the meth. From what I've seen, they run out of breath right around 210-220 whp tops. They dyno around 270+ ft.lbs however. But I've never seen one making more then 230whp without methanol. And my buddy who was the 1st to run into the 10's, tried 3 different set-ups on stock turbo, before saying screw this sorry ****, and sprayed a 75 wet shot. Only to blow up on his 7th or 8th pass down the strip.

He then took the motor apart, and said this time he was going to do things right, and proceeded to build the motor, BT, etc, etc, etc...25k, and high 10's later the cars now a masterpiece. I've never doubted their potential.

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

This is where you are wrong.... Again... Ever heard of APR? Their 93 octane chip alone puts you at 213/247 to the wheels. No intake, no exhaust, just the chip. What's stage 2? Oh add about a good 20-30 more whp because the stock exhaust on a mkiv is only about 2". Sad part is, at this point, you've spent MAYBE 2k and you've got more whp than a stock s2k, and it cost less than half what an s2k does.


Simply, you say you want a race, then fine. Let's race, but do watch yourself as I will be driving dlight's car, and I must tell you, I am no amateur.

Oh, I'm shaking in my boots...

And you must certainly be talking about the MKV's... I was referring to MKIV's having a hard time making over 220whp. Which seems to be the usual street max for these cars. Of course there will always be an exception. But one or two cars who have done it with extensive tuning should not be considered the usual.

And I understand APR chips will give you a **** ton of HP and torque over stock. But my point is what is your 3200lbs car going to do with it?!?! An APR chipped MK5 will run mid-low 14's trapping right around 96-98 mph. Am I wrong? I know theres a few guys who claim to have hit high 13's still on stage 1, but with weight reduction. The norm is low-mid 14's.

Stage 2 GTI MKV's will run for the most part low 14's due to its lacking ability to launch, and have no 1st gear because of the mass amount of torque it's putting down, at such a low RPM, and no LSD. I know the car is capable of running in the 13's, (which everybody always claims, yet seemingly fails to deliver). I went to fixxfest down here in Bradenton a few months ago. There were probably 50+ MKV's all around...Stage 1's, stage 2's....stock...etc, etc. Out of all those GTI's, I saw 2 run a 13 second pass!!!! TWO!! Out of 50+?? Come on now. Everyone loves to speak like their car is fast, but a 103 trapping car is not exactly what I would consider "fast". I've seen guys trap 105 with tires and meth, but again, that is the exception, not the norm. And considering convertible Honda's, with 2.0L motors without the aid of forced induction will trap right ~ the same mph should give you an idea of how "wonderful" the 2.0T FSI is. At least not to us non VW guys anyway.

A basic stage 2, mkv will trap between 100-103 mph. Thats a stage 2 GTI..... APR, Revo, Unitronic, and I know GIAC doesn't have stages, but GIAC with supporting mods also. Most of these cars will dyno between 230 and 245 whp, and 280-300 ft.lbs. Very nice I do agree, but again, what are you going to do with that power....2nd gear roll race to 110mph, because your tiny ko3 is screaming bloody mary at anything past 5 grand. I'm sure you've seen a few stage 2 dyno's in your time, correct? You see that powerband peak (rather impressively I must say) ~ 2500-3000 rpms...then what is it doing from there? Looooooooosing power, and torque the rest of the way. Great for city driving, and 'torque on tap', no doubt, but far from what a good racing powerband looks like.


And if your worried about money (what else is new once you realize your losing the performance debate), you can pick up a used S2000 for 12-15k, drop 5 or 6 extra grand into it and have a 350-450 whp boosted S2000 that runs low 12's and traps with 11 second cars. That puts you right around 20K, which is what a MKV would be going for.. And if you need more, upgrade the driveline and rear end, throw some low pistons in the block and make 600+whp....

[Teh Chr!s]

ElOhEl God U Guys Just Keep Going -.- Kill It Already

[El Brando]

RIGHT?!? These stupid MFs are so long winded about everything they know, and their boy and all that.....
Ive only raced an S2K once. Maybe the guy didnt want to go all out but I had him by a little more than two car lengths.
Ive advocated hondas on here before when other people liked to rip all over them. Ive owned a fantastic honda. The S2K is a great car, great motor, not many motors put up formula 1 type numbers (100hp per liter) but all I can speak from is experience.
And its all a bunch of maybes, maybe he was stock, Im definately NOT. Maybe he was only half the driver as the S2K advocates on this site, maybe he was on the last two points on his license, someone on here earlier said that God drives a MKV, maybe God doesnt like to see MKV's lose....
Now before anyone gets their panties in a bind, Im not saying I could never lose to a S2K, or that its impossible to get 600 hp out of one.
There is no end all answer here is all Im trying to say. Put two cars against each other one day, you may not get the same outcome the next.
Now stop spending so much time on a VW website and go drive!

WORD!

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Originally Posted by SimplyRevs

Different car. My boy's was the 1'st 1.8T to run in the 10's. While making just over 650whp. It was USP's car.
Personally I launch right ~ 8.2-8.5K... 1.9 60 ft's on stock tires and stock power levels.
-I said without METH! Congrats if one lucky guy with METH achieved those numbers. Depending on the mix, a good 30 or 40 of that hp came from the meth. From what I've seen, they run out of breath right around 210-220 whp tops. They dyno around 270+ ft.lbs however. But I've never seen one making more then 230whp without methanol.
-And my buddy who was the 1st to run into the 10's, tried 3 different set-ups on stock turbo, before saying screw this sorry ****, and sprayed a 75 wet shot. Only to blow up on his 7th or 8th pass down the strip.
He then took the motor apart, and said this time he was going to do things right, and proceeded to build the motor, BT, etc, etc, etc...25k, and high 10's later the cars now a masterpiece. I've never doubted their potential.
-And I understand APR chips will give you a **** ton of HP and torque over stock. But my point is what is your 3200lbs car going to do with it?!?! An APR chipped MK5 will run mid-low 14's trapping right around 96-98 mph. Am I wrong? I know theres a few guys who claim to have hit high 13's still on stage 1, but with weight reduction. The norm is low-mid 14's.
-Stage 2 GTI MKV's will run for the most part low 14's due to its lacking ability to launch, and have no 1st gear because of the mass amount of torque it's putting down, at such a low RPM, and no LSD. I know the car is capable of running in the 13's, (which everybody always claims, yet seemingly fails to deliver). Very nice I do agree, but again, what are you going to do with that power....2nd gear roll race to 110mph, because your tiny ko3 is screaming bloody mary at anything past 5 grand.

First I'd like to say thanks for the launch info, it just seems so weird to me to launch so high, and the guy with the 655+ gti I was talkin about lives in NY, and as far as I know he didn't build it up for a company, and you got to understand that meth is a huge part of our tuning because our temps are crazy hot you saw that guy had 3 seperate cooling pieces in his system, after a point you can't just rely on air anymore, I mean he could run 116+oct. or something and advance timing by that, but there are so many options with meth out for our cars, as for our car weight, your cars are only like 400 or so lbs less and you guys don't even have back seats, there is def ways to trim he fat off of gti's and I've been experimenting with some of them hell 1 guy even managed to get his car down to a healthy 2600 pounds while still retaining A/C and P/S, I'd also like to add that I just put in a mount to help eliminate wheel hop, tested it out last night and it spins for a sec. then just grips and goes it's awesome. As for the K03 loosing power at 5k, not so much my turbo isn't even fully spooled until 4000-4500 I am down to around 15 psi or so at like 6500 rpms which is where I would shift, just thought I'd share some info that I've picked up with ya, so why supercharge?

[SimplyRevs]

Originally Posted by El Brando

RIGHT?!? These stupid MFs are so long winded about everything they know, and their boy and all that.....
Ive only raced an S2K once. Maybe the guy didnt want to go all out but I had him by a little more than two car lengths.
Ive advocated hondas on here before when other people liked to rip all over them. Ive owned a fantastic honda. The S2K is a great car, great motor, not many motors put up formula 1 type numbers (100hp per liter) but all I can speak from is experience.
And its all a bunch of maybes, maybe he was stock, Im definately NOT. Maybe he was only half the driver as the S2K advocates on this site, maybe he was on the last two points on his license, someone on here earlier said that God drives a MKV, maybe God doesnt like to see MKV's lose....
Now before anyone gets their panties in a bind, Im not saying I could never lose to a S2K, or that its impossible to get 600 hp out of one.
There is no end all answer here is all Im trying to say. Put two cars against each other one day, you may not get the same outcome the next.
Now stop spending so much time on a VW website and go drive!

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True. I love your post.

Your right, this is the streets where crazy things can, and will happen. We understand this. But you can't just hope that every guy you ever bump into on the streets can't drive their car...That's pretty lame, IMO. All we were really trying to defend is that if a stock GTI MKV was to take out a stock s2000, the s2000 driver should be shot. Not because it's a GTI. But because a stock s2000 is more on par with a stage 2 GTI MKV, in stratght line speed. Not a stock GTI.

With experienced drivers behind both wheels, you'd be better off arguing with a stock RSX-s owner over an s2000 owner, seeing how both the GTI and RSX-s are near identicle in straight line performance. 0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile, trap speed, etc. But I'm sure you guys will tell us how thats not true, and RSX's are slow, right?

The only way I could ever see a stock MKV beating a stock s2000 is if the S2000 driver has his car in the wrong gear, and is cought out of VTEC. I know to you guys it might not sound like much, but in a car like the GTI you can afford to be 500 or 1,000 rpm's out of your prime spot, because the large amount of torque your car makes can help make up for it. Plus the GTI is all about down low power. The S2K is the exact opposite. It's power continuously grows and grows the higher it revs. A good s2000 driver will never be cought out of his VTEC. It's like imagine your car without a turbo. It's Honda's way to be fast, and still fuel efficient, with the same motor.

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Originally Posted by SimplyRevs

The only way I could ever see a stock MKV beating a stock s2000 is if the S2000 driver has his car in the wrong gear, and is cought out of VTEC. I know to you guys it might not sound like much, but in a car like the GTI you can afford to be 500 or 1,000 rpm's out of your prime spot, because the large amount of torque your car makes can help make up for it. Plus the GTI is all about down low power. The S2K is the exact opposite. It's power continuously grows and grows the higher it revs. A good s2000 driver will never be cought out of his VTEC. It's like imagine your car without a turbo. It's Honda's way to be fast, and still fuel efficient, with the same motor.

You sir make some very good points, I realize that we are exect opposites in power, and I love the fact that I don't have to hit an exact perfect point to shift, and the fact that even if I am out of the "spot" I still get pulled through, but a stg 2 gti would be more than a match for a stock s2k, as revo is one of the least aggressive tunes out for the gti, a stg 1 apr or GIAC or uni should be able to out run an s2k, not by much, but it should be more of a drivers race at that point, stage 2 is significantly more power and a much more aggressive tune that is better suited for track usage, versus the stg. 1 which can actually improve fuel econ. you will rarely see an inc. in fuel econ with a stg. 2 and up tune.

[D.Light]

I really do want to know if you guys have run against a 1998+ 911 (or technically the 996 or 997) more specifically the Carrerra 4s because they have tons more power then I do and pre chipped I ran like a bat out of hell on one

[boostedJTi]

Originally Posted by 03Ap1

GTi's mods: APR chip, exhaust, intake, rims, and I believe that is it but I am uncertain.
My mods at the time was dual invidia exhaust and berk test pipe. From every pull we did it was even up to the top of 3rd and then I would walk him.

2 problems I see with this.

1) That car is probably an APR Stage 2 which equates to more torque than a boosted s2k.

Stage 1 Apr chip figures, to the wheels:
"Not only does our Stage I software give you higher peak numbers of 252 horsepower and 303lb-ft. of torque,"

The stage 2 reflash sets you even higher on both ends of the spectrum.

2) Even with you having just an exhaust, you shouldn't have won. Case in point, the GTi owner can't drive.

Chip information is found on APR's website, www.goapr.com

[Brennon]

Originally Posted by dlight88

I think you guys severly underestimate the power a chip gives to a boosted car, we are talkin a legit extra 50 hp to the wheels. Plus

You guys really need to be careful with this. A "chip", as you're all calling it, simply sounds like a different tune. The fact that with a tune you can get FIFTY extra horsepower over stock with the same components means one of two things.

1. The new tune is DANGEROUSLY leaning your air/fuel ratios and you're going to be doing some damage

2. VW gave you guys a horrid tune from the factory. This one isn't so dangerous, just sort of stupid on VW's part.

[boostedJTi]

Originally Posted by Brennon

You guys really need to be careful with this. A "chip", as you're all calling it, simply sounds like a different tune. The fact that with a tune you can get FIFTY extra horsepower over stock with the same components means one of two things.

1. The new tune is DANGEROUSLY leaning your air/fuel ratios and you're going to be doing some damage

2. VW gave you guys a horrid tune from the factory. This one isn't so dangerous, just sort of stupid on VW's part.

Read the above post.

And again, you guys are wrong.

Maybe I shall inform you, again...

When a company such as APR chip's the vehicle, they change 21 points on the factory ecu. Starting with boost, moving to timing, fuel so on and so forth. Hence the big gain in power, they don't lean out the car as much as you'd like to believe, they utilize everything the factory gives and the chip can prolong engine life just as equally as a factory motor.

It seems to me, you guys are envious of how well VW's accept modifications. I mean hell, spend 600$ and your car just gained an outrageous amount of power, buy an exhaust, intake and a fuel pump and you just cracked even higher numbers, all for less than 4k.

[Brennon]

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

Read the above post.

And again, you guys are wrong.

Maybe I shall inform you, again...

When a company such as APR chip's the vehicle, they change 21 points on the factory ecu. Starting with boost, moving to timing, fuel so on and so forth. Hence the big gain in power, they don't lean out the car as much as you'd like to believe, they utilize everything the factory gives and the chip can prolong engine life just as equally as a factory motor.

It seems to me, you guys are envious of how well VW's accept modifications. I mean hell, spend 600$ and your car just gained an outrageous amount of power, buy an exhaust, intake and a fuel pump and you just cracked even higher numbers, all for less than 4k.

Not at all, that's awesome if a tune gets you guys 50 hp. Honestly I was just lettin ya know.

I'm in the same boat, a tune nets me an extra 40 hp on my lotus as lotus is lame and likes to gimp some models to not compete with the higher end ones. (Lotus S220 vs S240 and Cup 255)

[boostedJTi]

ok see now I'm envious...

pictures, please?

[Brennon]

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

ok see now I'm envious...

pictures, please?

LOL

Sure thing. We have to be real careful with engine mods...smaller pulley will cause lean conditions without a good tune...some tunes out there cause lean conditions...even certain intakes can cause lean conditions.

[boostedJTi]

That's absolutely beautiful...

[Brennon]

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

That's absolutely beautiful...

Thanks man. I'm sure there's some GTIs floating around on here that can smoke me in a straight line.

[boostedJTi]

Lol but you own the twisties, hands down. Only car on here that may give you a run for your money but still lose is my rx7...

[03Ap1]

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

2 problems I see with this.

1) That car is probably an APR Stage 2 which equates to more torque than a boosted s2k.

Stage 1 Apr chip figures, to the wheels:
"Not only does our Stage I software give you higher peak numbers of 252 horsepower and 303lb-ft. of torque,"

The stage 2 reflash sets you even higher on both ends of the spectrum.

2) Even with you having just an exhaust, you shouldn't have won. Case in point, the GTi owner can't drive.

Chip information is found on APR's website, www.goapr.com

I'm going to check out the link you provided in a second.

1.) The guy most definitely could drive.
2.) I said he had an "APR" chip because that is what is being talked about in this thread and I just regurgitated it. If there is any other chip available for the GTi, maybe he had that. (or maybe he was just talking out of his a$$ and didn't have a chip.
3.) The only things that I am certain of... He had intake, exhaust, and rims. Those are the only things I physically could see and verify.

And the jealousy comment on the part of money spent/more HP.. You're dam right I wish could bolt on 50HP for $500. There's always FI which is my next mod once I get the dinero.

[03Ap1]

Is this WHP or at the flywheel? I didn't see it listed anywhere..

[SimplyRevs]

Originally Posted by dlight88

You sir make some very good points, I realize that we are exect opposites in power, and I love the fact that I don't have to hit an exact perfect point to shift, and the fact that even if I am out of the "spot" I still get pulled through, but a stg 2 gti would be more than a match for a stock s2k, as revo is one of the least aggressive tunes out for the gti, a stg 1 apr or GIAC or uni should be able to out run an s2k, not by much, but it should be more of a drivers race at that point, stage 2 is significantly more power and a much more aggressive tune that is better suited for track usage, versus the stg. 1 which can actually improve fuel econ. you will rarely see an inc. in fuel econ with a stg. 2 and up tune.

Thank you. And it's kinda funny to me to hear you say Revo is the least aggressive tune as far as the 4 major companys go. Most people I've encountered say either revo or GIAC are the most, and APR is the least.


And trust me, a stage 1 GIAC, REVO, APR (chip and intake) will not out run a properly driven s2000, I promise you. Most stage 1 MKV's will run in the low to mid 14's, and trap ~ 97-98mph, with a rather slow top end pull once they get into 4th gear. Stock S2000's will trap above 100 with a good driver, everytime. And bolt-on all motor s2k's have seen 107mph traps. If the s2000 driver is in VTEC when the race starts, the GTI will never get that "torque" jump, and will slowly fade back. I'm even willing to put some money on it if any of the local MKV's want to do a couple runs. And I'll make sure the s2000 driver is one who is up to par.

Most stage 2 GTI MKV's trap ~ 100 mph. Some tend to see traps as high as 103 half way gutted with the back seats, and spare tires taken out, but never higher for a basic stage 2 GTI (chip, intake, and down pipe). Considering how all these mentioned chips bleed boost as their revs get higher, is only going to work against the GTI as speeds increase. Especially when compared to an s2000 with a rising powerband.

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

2 problems I see with this.

1) That car is probably an APR Stage 2 which equates to more torque than a boosted s2k.

Stage 1 Apr chip figures, to the wheels:
"Not only does our Stage I software give you higher peak numbers of 252 horsepower and 303lb-ft. of torque,"

The stage 2 reflash sets you even higher on both ends of the spectrum.

2) Even with you having just an exhaust, you shouldn't have won. Case in point, the GTi owner can't drive.

Chip information is found on APR's website, www.goapr.com

I'm sorry if I'm the first to tell you this, but Torque does not win races.

And I don't care what their web site list's, how many stage 1 GTI MKV's have dynoed in the real world anywhere near 252WHP and 300+ wheel torque??!! Absolutely none! That's what we like to call advertising. Lol.

Hell most stage 2 GTI's won't even dyno 250 hp to the wheels. Most are in the 240's. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't know who you think your talking to, but were not idiots. Close to half a dozen of my friends have stage 1 and stage 2 MKV's. And I've seen at least 5 of them dyno, on numerous different accounts. Not one of the stage 2's dynoed over 250 whp. Not one. The strongest (which was my buddies APR) put down 244 and 292. And thats running with EvoMS intake, APR 3" down pipe with no cat, and a forge DV, to go along with his APR software.

I think you need to stop lieing to yourself. These cars have been out for quite some time now. Everybody knows what they can and can't do when it comes to basic stage 1 and 2 tuning. It's not like I'm giving you false information. These are facts. It seems wishful thinking owns you.

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

Read the above post.

And again, you guys are wrong.

Maybe I shall inform you, again...

When a company such as APR chip's the vehicle, they change 21 points on the factory ecu. Starting with boost, moving to timing, fuel so on and so forth. Hence the big gain in power, they don't lean out the car as much as you'd like to believe, they utilize everything the factory gives and the chip can prolong engine life just as equally as a factory motor.

It seems to me, you guys are envious of how well VW's accept modifications. I mean hell, spend 600$ and your car just gained an outrageous amount of power, buy an exhaust, intake and a fuel pump and you just cracked even higher numbers, all for less than 4k.

OK, once again...What are you going to do with those numbers?? I've seen guy's dyno as high as 280whp in these GTI MKV's, and then have trouble with a well driven s2000 making 210whp. In case your not aware, 280 whp is not exactly 'moving' for your cars, not trying to be a d*ck.

Spending 4 grand extra, to only have a high 13 second car is not exactly blowing up my skirt if you feel me. All-be-it a very nice improvement over stock, I'll give you that, no doubt.

And to put it into perspective for you. Spend $4500 on a mild turbo kit for a RSX-s, and have 400+whp, and a low 12 second E.T. with traps up to 115mph. Now that IMO is getting your money's worth if straight line speed is what your looking for.

But maybe 105 is good enough for you.

[D.Light]

Originally Posted by Brennon

You guys really need to be careful with this. A "chip", as you're all calling it, simply sounds like a different tune. The fact that with a tune you can get FIFTY extra horsepower over stock with the same components means one of two things.

1. The new tune is DANGEROUSLY leaning your air/fuel ratios and you're going to be doing some damage

2. VW gave you guys a horrid tune from the factory. This one isn't so dangerous, just sort of stupid on VW's part.

With the new tune fueling is also take care of, our fuel system is good until aaround 270 or so, so there is really no fear of leaning out except way way up top

Originally Posted by 03Ap1

Is this WHP or at the flywheel? I didn't see it listed anywhere..

I believe That is to the wheels, every chip company posts roughly the same numbers and I would find it hard to believe that said companies would go through all of the trouble of dynoing an engine at a special facility versus dynoing the entire car at the local shop

Originally Posted by SimplyRevs

Thank you. And it's kinda funny to me to hear you say Revo is the least aggressive tune as far as the 4 major companys go. Most people I've encountered say either revo or GIAC are the most, and APR is the least.
Most stage 2 GTI MKV's trap ~ 100 mph. Some tend to see traps as high as 103 half way gutted with the back seats, and spare tires taken out,
The strongest (which was my buddies APR) put down 244 and 292. And thats running with EvoMS intake, APR 3" down pipe with no cat, and a forge DV, to go along with his APR software.

Revo isn't even in the top 3 for the strongest tunes IMO, I think it goes APR GIAC X+ (tied for 1st) Unitronic, Dahlback, Neuspeed, Revo, whoever else. Plus you guys rock the 2 seater, whats wrong with us pullin our back seats?, And along with what your buddy had on his V I would recomend a front mount, turbo inlet pipe, Full 3" catback, some L/W pulleys, ...... oh yeah and meth, at that point he should be above 270 and 325

[D.Light]

Originally Posted by Brennon

Not at all, that's awesome if a tune gets you guys 50 hp. Honestly I was just lettin ya know.

I'm in the same boat, a tune nets me an extra 40 hp on my lotus as lotus is lame and likes to gimp some models to not compete with the higher end ones. (Lotus S220 vs S240 and Cup 255)

Yeah you're right Lotuses (Lotus', Lotie, Lotusalusarondoes?) are lame just peep the pics........PPPFFFFFTTT LAME!!!!, nice car

Originally Posted by Brennon

[D.Light]

Originally Posted by SimplyRevs

OK, once again...What are you going to do with those numbers?? I've seen guy's dyno as high as 280whp in these GTI MKV's, and then have trouble with a well driven s2000 making 210whp. In case your not aware, 280 whp is not exactly 'moving' for your cars, not trying to be a d*ck.
Spending 4 grand extra, to only have a high 13 second car is not exactly blowing up my skirt if you feel me. All-be-it a very nice improvement over stock, I'll give you that, no doubt.
And to put it into perspective for you. Spend $4500 on a mild turbo kit for a RSX-s, and have 400+whp, and a low 12 second E.T. with traps up to 115mph. Now that IMO is getting your money's worth if straight line speed is what your looking for.
But maybe 105 is good enough for you.

Maybe some guys have trouble moving there cars with 280 but mine has what like 215 or so now, and mine hauls ass maybe the guy with the 280 was trying to drive it like an s2k who knows? And Look at the prices this way I dunno what you guys paid for your s2k's but I paid 10k for my IV less then 60k on the clock and to date have not yet dropped 1k into modding and I bet I can break into 13's, after the reflash with stg 2 and the handful of other upgrades I have waiting (still spent under 1k) I bet I can hit a 13.3-13.5 no problem still for under 11k car icluded. But now that you're talkin turbo kits and stuff, pass on apr stg 3+ that's proven to break 300 with ease, and custom build one for 4500 with uni software and I wouldn't be amazed to see a 425+ hp gti, which would own low 12's all day

[boostedJTi]

Originally Posted by SimplyRevs

Spending 4 grand extra, to only have a high 13 second car is not exactly blowing up my skirt if you feel me. All-be-it a very nice improvement over stock, I'll give you that, no doubt.

And to put it into perspective for you. Spend $4500 on a mild turbo kit for a RSX-s, and have 400+whp, and a low 12 second E.T. with traps up to 115mph. Now that IMO is getting your money's worth if straight line speed is what your looking for.

But maybe 105 is good enough for you.

Oh boy... See here ya go again, assumptions...

Why spend 4k on a honda when I can dump 4k into my rx7 and eat your s2k every day of the week?