Revo flashed Mk5 Vs Honda s 2000.

[Brennon]

Originally Posted by dlight88

When did I say FWD was the best? And when it's peak tq is at 7500 rpms and when you shift at 8200 or so that is not usable, plus the mkv is a 6 speed gearbox as well so what does the gearbox have to do with anything? and yeah it's geared dif. but they are also made to shift much higher because they have 0 low end, also they've done dyno testing on stock s2k and they usually net about 200-210 hp at the wheels, look this thread is made to compare the gti to the s2k which as people have seen the GTI is superior to the s2k in daily driving, interior comfort, fuel economy, and balls out performance

Every car dynos lower than the flywheel horsepower...

A stock GTI is going to have roughly 160-170 horsepower / ft lbs torque at the wheels. The gearbox is important because, yes, the powerband in the S2000 starts at roughly 5600 RPM, but you can keep it in that powerband pretty easily with proper gearing. You seem to think the only usable torque occurs at 7500 RPM, which isn't exactly the case.

This is pretty close to what a 'race' would look like (although I don't much consider drag racing a race) between two stock vehicles. I'll admit the GTI takes much better to mods, but the front wheel drive aspect will always be a hinderance.

YouTube - Honda S2000 vs. Volkswagon Golf GTI

[boostedJTi]

Hindered to an extent possibly.

And I too have driven an s2k, numerous times. I've drifted them, raced them, and just cruised in them. And I must say, once the powerband kicks, it kicks. But in all honesty, you wait so much longer. By the time the torque curve is at it's peak and the hp starts taking over, a GTi is in the next gear and pulling in peak boost...

[Silverstonejedi]

LOL......Do any of you guys reside in SOCAL?

Shouldn't you guys be comparing the R32 if anything...lol?

[boostedJTi]

R32 = underpowered. so why bother discussing it?

[Silverstonejedi]

So does anyone reside in Southern California on here??

[9kfever]

Originally Posted by dlight88

A.) No, no it's not, and if you had been reading this thread you'd realize that,
"Horespower sells cars, torque wins races."- Carol Shelby
B.) Plus Peak Tq at 7500 is useless, even with RWD you're still gonna burn the **** out of your tires, so you're going to need a better driver in the 2k to actually get a good launch in where as with the gti rev to 2700-3100 and drop the clutch, shoot I can do that

LOL all this hype about no useable torque A good driver in an s2k will sidestep the s2k at 7k. Wow what do you know, it never drops below 6k the whole time and after the 1-2 shift it stays above 6500

[9kfever]

Someone race jedi...he still has stock exhaust. My car would be unfair.

[9kfever]

Originally Posted by dlight88

I dunno how well an s2k would take off considering it has 150 ft/lbs at the crank and thats at around 7500, seems like it wouldn't move an inch until 2nd gear, and would probably start moving fast in 3rd, That and the 04+ ones aren't any better because the red line is at 8k, with fuel cut out at around 8300 or so and its got like 160 ft/lbs to the crank at around 6500, I'd say from a dig no contest, from a roll, probably still the gti (mkiv and mkv), but maybe less convincingly, so chipped should be a good easy win

You sir know nothing about the s2k's gearing. You will never see anything below 6k in a drag race if driven properly. From a roll it will never drop below 6500 unless you start in first gear in which it drops to 6k for a brief second on the 1-2 shift.

[9kfever]

Originally Posted by dlight88

Then look at tq, then look where the tq kicks in for a gti around 3k for an s2k around 6500, then guess who gets off the line first and moving faster quicker

This sounds like the arguement an s2k owner would make considering you launch the car right in peak tq. I think you are assuming that the s2ks launch at 3k or something. Um no

[9kfever]

Here is a good example of the gearing on an s2k. Note: a stock car will drop about 600 rpms more each shift. This is my car. I love gti's but to think stock for stock they would beat an S is hilarious. Maybe a horrible driver.

OP- I believe your story.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/g...FTW_171650.htm

[9kfever]

Here is a video of stock gearing starting in 2nd.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/S...eedo_89953.htm

[Silverstonejedi]

Just waiting for bait, 9k.....lol. I can do a friendly comparo..=) and will put this to rest....LOL

Why does it seem all the ignorrant people are on the east coast....lmao

[9kfever]

Originally Posted by 9kfever

LOL all this hype about no useable torque A good driver in an s2k will sidestep the s2k at 7k. Wow what do you know, it never drops below 6k the whole time and after the 1-2 shift it stays above 6500

Originally Posted by Silverstonejedi

Just waiting for bait, 9k.....lol. I can do a friendly comparo..=) and will put this to rest....LOL

Why does it seem all the ignorrant people are on the east coast....lmao

I hear ya, though I do believe that some of these guys have beaten s2ks. The fact is that forums like this are car enthusiasts forums and the majority of the members are better drivers than random drivers you encounter on the street.

[Silverstonejedi]

Originally Posted by 9kfever

I hear ya, though I do believe that some of these guys have beaten s2ks. The fact is that forums like this are car enthusiasts forums and the majority of the members are better drivers than random drivers you encounter on the street.

I believe them too, but stock for stock?? You will absolutely need to be upgraded with stage 1,2,3,4,5, or whatever to even hang with a stock s2. I know that modded GTI's are good for high-mid 13's so it's no surprise.

[SimplyRevs]

You guys are so misinformed about s2000's, it's not even funny.

[boostedJTi]

OK fella's, explain to me how i can make an s2k owner give up from a dig? My car had an intake, that was it at the time, when I hit 2nd gear, I was a car and a half in front of him...

Taking what you've said with a grain of salt (and my optimism) I am an enthusiast driver. I used to race at a track (1/8th mile circle track) so I know how the powerbands work... I do believe the owner I raced wasn't very "inclined" in a polite way of saying it, but none the less, I ran through 2 1/2 gears, short shifted from 3rd to 4th and still pulled away... I also owned the less powerful mkiv with the 1.8T. I know for a fact that an mkv has beatin an s2k from a roll, so therein, where do your numbers prove anything...?

I am not being stubborn, just have a lack of proof that an s2k is faster... I have driven several s2k's and do enjoy them because they handle like a train on rails...

[SimplyRevs]

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

OK fella's, explain to me how i can make an s2k owner give up from a dig? My car had an intake, that was it at the time, when I hit 2nd gear, I was a car and a half in front of him...

Taking what you've said with a grain of salt (and my optimism) I am an enthusiast driver. I used to race at a track (1/8th mile circle track) so I know how the powerbands work... I do believe the owner I raced wasn't very "inclined" in a polite way of saying it, but none the less, I ran through 2 1/2 gears, short shifted from 3rd to 4th and still pulled away... I also owned the less powerful mkiv with the 1.8T. I know for a fact that an mkv has beatin an s2k from a roll, so therein, where do your numbers prove anything...?

I am not being stubborn, just have a lack of proof that an s2k is faster... I have driven several s2k's and do enjoy them because they handle like a train on rails...

Very easy. The guy doesn't know how to drive.

Stock s2000's will pull 1.9 60 ft's when launched agressivly. In other words, the 2.1 or 2.2 (a lot of times worse for the FWD, no LSD GTI MKV; especially with say 300ft. lbs of torque to the ground) will be the one who is left behind. When properly launched anyway.


Some stage 1 GTI's can hang with stock s2000's from a roll, but mainly when the S2000 isn't driven real hard/well either. Most stage 1 guys will trap ~ 97-98mph.


Most Stage 2 GTI's are pretty close in straightline performance with a stock, or lightly bolt-on s2000. Both cars trap right ~ 100-103.

The catch is the driver. So to answer your question, you beat the driver, not the car.

And if you need proof, just let me know.

[boostedJTi]

So here in lies your own mistake, I drove an mkiv. I had factory LSD. If I still had that car, I've give you your own proof as I was on the verge of stage 3. And my car still cost less than what an s2k sells for.

I'd like proof, race a guy on here with the s/n Teh Chr!s, tho I must bid you good luck and farewell.

[9kfever]

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

So here in lies your own mistake, I drove an mkiv. I had factory LSD. If I still had that car, I've give you your own proof as I was on the verge of stage 3. And my car still cost less than what an s2k sells for.

I'd like proof, race a guy on here with the s/n Teh Chr!s, tho I must bid you good luck and farewell.

Has a bone stock MKV or MKIV even broke into the 13's on stock tires?

That would be your proof. Stock s2000's have ran 13.6.

Is he in so cal? I got that

[Silverstonejedi]

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

So here in lies your own mistake, I drove an mkiv. I had factory LSD. If I still had that car, I've give you your own proof as I was on the verge of stage 3. And my car still cost less than what an s2k sells for.

I'd like proof, race a guy on here with the s/n Teh Chr!s, tho I must bid you good luck and farewell.

LOL..Unless he's in Socal, why suggest? I'm sure 9k's car will handle it if I cannot....

Set it up with someone over here in socal. Im not a douche bag. We can do a friendly run/runs. I just have your basic bolt ons (stock exhaust).

Anyone?

Note: Please don't set me up with a stock MK1v. We all know the outcome of that.

Preferably stage 1-3

[SimplyRevs]

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

So here in lies your own mistake, I drove an mkiv. I had factory LSD. If I still had that car, I've give you your own proof as I was on the verge of stage 3. And my car still cost less than what an s2k sells for.

I'd like proof, race a guy on here with the s/n Teh Chr!s, tho I must bid you good luck and farewell.

OK, so your car is even slower to start with, despite the LSD. Does that mean this is going to turn into a pissing match now? My buddy's mkiv was the 1st 1.8T to run in the 10's. And he wouldn't even be able to hang with this...


http://videos.streetfire.net/video/I...-in_165951.htm

[9kfever]

Originally Posted by Silverstonejedi

LOL..Unless he's in Socal, why suggest? I'm sure 9k's car will handle it if I cannot....

Set it up with someone over here in socal. Im not a douche bag. We can do a friendly run/runs. I just have your basic bolt ons (stock exhaust).

Anyone?

Note: Please don't set me up with a stock MK1v. We all know the outcome of that.

Preferably stage 1-3

Yea all jokes aside we are all car enthusiasts. Someone in Socal race Jedi. Mine is supercharged. We can all meet up and shoot the ****. I would love to check out some GTi's as I haven't really kept up with them since the day I testdrove one nearly 6 years ago.

[Teh Chr!s]

Clayton And Dlight U Guys Can Have This ... Ive Got Better Things To Do Than To Try And Convince Mr. RWD (Brennon) And The Rest Of These Guys That Even Tho The GTI Is FWD It Dosent Really Even Matter FWD Or RWD Its The Car And Driver That Matter And The S2k Just Dosent Cut It In A Race .... Im Done In This Thread
-Teh_Chr!s

[SimplyRevs]

Originally Posted by Teh Chr!s

Clayton And Dlight U Guys Can Have This ... Ive Got Better Things To Do Than To Try And Convince Mr. RWD (Brennon) And The Rest Of These Guys That Even Tho The GTI Is FWD It Dosent Really Even Matter FWD Or RWD Its The Car And Driver That Matter And The S2k Just Dosent Cut It In A Race .... Im Done In This Thread
-Teh_Chr!s

LMAO...You guys really have no clue, do you?

[9kfever]

Originally Posted by Teh Chr!s

Clayton And Dlight U Guys Can Have This ... Ive Got Better Things To Do Than To Try And Convince Mr. RWD (Brennon) And The Rest Of These Guys That Even Tho The GTI Is FWD It Dosent Really Even Matter FWD Or RWD Its The Car And Driver That Matter And The S2k Just Dosent Cut It In A Race .... Im Done In This Thread
-Teh_Chr!s

OH wow, just wow. And what is your setup that makes you this ****y?

[boostedJTi]

Talk to Dragon.

Too bad you fella's arnt out east, I'd leave the house and borrow a car and show you.

[SimplyRevs]

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

Talk to Dragon.

Too bad you fella's arnt out east, I'd leave the house and borrow a car and show you.

Ok, that is now 2 different people you have told us to talk to. 1) Why can't you handle your own business, 2) maybe we should just cut you out of the mix of discussion since you obviously don't know, or handle too much on your own.

I know a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend who has a friend who has another friend who thinks he's friends with some really cool guy who has a fast volkswagen. Wanna race? LMAO, good for you bud.


And I live in Florida, and have friends who stay in winter park, Orlando. Are you only planning on running your mouth?

Obviously you guys haven't raced any s2000 who actually knows how to drive the car correctly if you think the two stock cars are close in performance. Unless your stage 2 in a MKV, your probably not beating any s2000 who's driver is credible. Don't feel bad though, it happens all the time...Then they meet someone who actually knows how to drive an s2000 and are left like, "Woah, thats quicker then I thought it was!"

[boostedJTi]

1) I don't drive a VW anymore.
2) I openly admitted to racing someone with no experience
3) If you want a race then fine. I'll borrow a mkiv I'm sure I can arrange that just make sure you bring the p.o.s. s2k.
4) If you really decide you want to race a lighter faster car, let me finish my rx7, that way you know how it feels to watch a smaller motor blow past you like you're sitting still. Oh wait, that isn't fair... It's a rotary... It's got a giant turbo... Oh god no...


And Note this, I mentioned Dragon because as far as I know, he lives in SoCal.

[boostedJTi]

Oh and so you know, I have permission to drive an mkiv. Waiting on you kids to put your balls together or grow some.

[03Ap1]

Originally Posted by SimplyRevs

LMAO...You guys really have no clue, do you?

No they don't. That's why I don't know why you guys are wasting your time with these "kids". It doesn't matter what "facts" you throw at these adolescants because they will not research information themselves. They think the stories their friend's/forum members post up are all factual accounts and can be duplicated in any given situation.

BoostedJti - you were up 2 - 3 lengths on an S from a dig. That should probably tell you that he didn't launch or was a $hty driver.

STOCK vs STOCK: an S will rape any model GTi, any year... PERIOD. End of Discussion. That is fact. (Given all things equal meaning DRIVER MOD) Unless there is some new math where a high 14 sec time is suddenly faster than a high 13 to low 14 sec time...

You want to start adding things like chips, intakes, exhaust, bigger downpipe, boost controller, etc.. Now you're comparing apples to oranges.

GTi responds better to mods. It's turbo'd from the get-go. Any stock turbo'd car responds well to mods as they are tuned very conservitively.

Do some research people.

I ran an 07 Gti w/chip, exhaust, intake, and rims vs my 03 S2K w/exhaust and test pipe.
We were dead even to the top of MY 3rd, and then I would walk him once I hit 4th. That is fact and I'm sure the guy is a member of this forum. I was impressed and he said his next mod was a down pipe which I am sure he would take me then...

[9kfever]

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

Oh and so you know, I have permission to drive an mkiv. Waiting on you kids to put your balls together or grow some.

There you go SimplyRevs he is game.


Whats done to the MKIV?

P.O.S. s2k? was that called for?

[boostedJTi]

It's chipped and has a ram air intake. No muffler but resonated. Has some weight removal but not a whole lot.

Edit, he also has an N75 J valve, meaning he spikes around 23-25 psi and holds a constant 21 psi after the spike. Also has a dogbone mount and a few other odds and end things.

[03Ap1]

Originally Posted by 9kfever

There you go SimplyRevs he is game.


Whats done to the MKIV?

P.O.S. s2k? was that called for?

They are fanboi's. They talk ish about the ricer civics and skittles who think their car is the fastest car on the planet. These guys are no better.

EDIT: Some.. not all.

[03Ap1]

I'm assuming there will be a camera car on these "future" runs....

[9kfever]

dragon has been pm'd

[boostedJTi]

Originally Posted by 03Ap1

They are fanboi's. They talk ish about the ricer civics and skittles who think their car is the fastest car on the planet. These guys are no better.

EDIT: Some.. not all.

Considering i've been in a car that would rape your Ap1 and is faster than cars I've owned, I know when to give respect. So to speak and say that I know no better is a bit... out of hand. Read back a little bit. I openly admitted to racing an s2k owner that wasn't "inclined" with the car. I even reused the exact word so it's easier to find.

I have a list full of cars/bikes I've beaten, another s2k will just be yet another notch on the list and if you want video feed, fine by me. The car I'll be using will have it's owner in the passenger seat. Still debating on whether a few friends will hang in the hatch to watch too.


And if you were curious as to what car I was refering to that would rape your Ap1, it's my friends 240 up in Va. Why Va? Because I moved down here from there about 2 months ago.

Ever seen a fully stripped s13 hatch with an sr that throws down 18 psi? Last I talked to him he had just ordered a fresh set of valves and retainers to build his head so he could boost even more. I'd say that car would hand you your ass...

[03Ap1]

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

Considering i've been in a car that would rape your Ap1 and is faster than cars I've owned, I know when to give respect. So to speak and say that I know no better is a bit... out of hand. Read back a little bit. I openly admitted to racing an s2k owner that wasn't "inclined" with the car. I even reused the exact word so it's easier to find.

I have a list full of cars/bikes I've beaten, another s2k will just be yet another notch on the list and if you want video feed, fine by me. The car I'll be using will have it's owner in the passenger seat. Still debating on whether a few friends will hang in the hatch to watch too.


And if you were curious as to what car I was refering to that would rape your Ap1, it's my friends 240 up in Va. Why Va? Because I moved down here from there about 2 months ago.

Ever seen a fully stripped s13 hatch with an sr that throws down 18 psi? Last I talked to him he had just ordered a fresh set of valves and retainers to build his head so he could boost even more. I'd say that car would hand you your ass...

And as I stated.. apples to oranges..

The S owners infiltrating your boards are here because members in this thread are stating that a stock GTi is faster than a stock S2K. It's not. And I'm fully aware that an sr motor boosting at 18 psi will easily dispatch my car.

[boostedJTi]

Originally Posted by 03Ap1

And as I stated.. apples to oranges..

The S owners infiltrating your boards are here because members in this thread are stating that a stock GTi is faster than a stock S2K. It's not. And I'm fully aware that an sr motor boosting at 18 psi will easily dispatch my car.

Yes until your S owners began stating their slightly modded S's could take on the mod savey GTi's. Then it became a fist fight.

I'm down for a race, but once it's over, this is done. The GTi will win, and I'm no ****y person... Ok I'm lying, but nonetheless, From a dig, the car is set-up to run. A chip alone puts the car at 215whp, the intake adds onto that, the weight reduction helps, the dogbone mount eliminated any and all wheel hop... Don't need power mods to be fast, just a good driver...

I myself have driven s2k's, I know how well they handle, and if it came down to that, i'd side along with you all, but that isn't the case. And merely, this thread was based off of a question as to whether a chipped mkv could beat a s2k...

[9kfever]

Too bad that car isn't in so cal or we would have an s2k hand it its ass. Seeing you in Florida I am sure that the tuner Mase has a few s2ks he can put you in contact with. There is always a faster car out there. We were posting just to show these guys on here that claim a stock gti can take an s2k that they are racing bad drivers.

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

Considering i've been in a car that would rape your Ap1 and is faster than cars I've owned, I know when to give respect. So to speak and say that I know no better is a bit... out of hand. Read back a little bit. I openly admitted to racing an s2k owner that wasn't "inclined" with the car. I even reused the exact word so it's easier to find.

I have a list full of cars/bikes I've beaten, another s2k will just be yet another notch on the list and if you want video feed, fine by me. The car I'll be using will have it's owner in the passenger seat. Still debating on whether a few friends will hang in the hatch to watch too.


And if you were curious as to what car I was refering to that would rape your Ap1, it's my friends 240 up in Va. Why Va? Because I moved down here from there about 2 months ago.

Ever seen a fully stripped s13 hatch with an sr that throws down 18 psi? Last I talked to him he had just ordered a fresh set of valves and retainers to build his head so he could boost even more. I'd say that car would hand you your ass...

[9kfever]

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

Yes until your S owners began stating their slightly modded S's could take on the mod savey GTi's. Then it became a fist fight.

I'm down for a race, but once it's over, this is done. The GTi will win, and I'm no ****y person... Ok I'm lying, but nonetheless, From a dig, the car is set-up to run. A chip alone puts the car at 215whp, the intake adds onto that, the weight reduction helps, the dogbone mount eliminated any and all wheel hop... Don't need power mods to be fast, just a good driver...

I myself have driven s2k's, I know how well they handle, and if it came down to that, i'd side along with you all, but that isn't the case. And merely, this thread was based off of a question as to whether a chipped mkv could beat a s2k...

The OP said he hung with an S2k and I said I believed that. This debate stems from the numerous posters who act like its written in the bible that a stock mkv or even mkiv will take out an s2k no problem.