Revo flashed Mk5 Vs Honda s 2000.

[Cleverlines]

Was sorta casual speeding with my friend, both of us have Mk5 gti's untill a honda s 2000 wanted to race.
My friend backed out because his gf was with him and she didn't let him race. I have a Revo chipped gti mk5 with a neuspeed intake. The s 2000 was just stock he said.
We took off from a dig a few times and who ever had the better launch would win. Untill we started talking a little we started it from a 20 roll. Almost no traffic at all, the time was 11:30, nice dry roads, we go for it.
Though out the long strech we were side by side, no nose was futher then the other. Untill we reached i say dangerous speeds we slowed down. Thats when i found out he was stock. It was a solid race. It was a tie but pretty fun. I was suprised we were both side by side during the whole race.

[Teh Chr!s]

Hmm Odd Ive Beaten Several S2k's And That Was When I Was Stock ..... Havent Had one Run Up On Me Since I Got My Stage2 APR But Id Like To Put It Up And See

[D.Light]

Originally Posted by Teh Chr!s

Hmm Odd Ive Beaten Several S2k's And That Was When I Was Stock ..... Havent Had one Run Up On Me Since I Got My Stage2 APR But Id Like To Put It Up And See

x2 a friend of mine drives an s2k and he said some kid in a stock-ish (maybe as no words were exchanged) mkiv, tore him apart from a roll, he was pissed, and it was awesome

[Teh Chr!s]

Originally Posted by dlight88

he was pissed, and it was awesome

Thats Same The Reaction Of The S2k Guys I Beat Well One Of Em Was Like And The Other Was Like

[kryptonkid07]

most likely, the guys driving the s2000's didn't know how to use the car to their advantage...

i wonder how many of them were taking it right up to redline. their 9000 RPMs coupled with their oh-so-notorious VTEC would do great from rolls.

[BillyBob]

Originally Posted by kryptonkid07

most likely, the guys driving the s2000's didn't know how to use the car to their advantage...

i wonder how many of them were taking it right up to redline. their 9000 RPMs coupled with their oh-so-notorious VTEC would do great from rolls.

x2
I've seen S2000s just take off. They;ve got some pickup.
We can't win against EVERYTHING, but it sounds like you had a fairly good race.

[D.Light]

Originally Posted by BillyBob

x2
I've seen S2000s just take off. They;ve got some pickup.
We can't win against EVERYTHING, but it sounds like you had a fairly good race.

I dunno how well an s2k would take off considering it has 150 ft/lbs at the crank and thats at around 7500, seems like it wouldn't move an inch until 2nd gear, and would probably start moving fast in 3rd, That and the 04+ ones aren't any better because the red line is at 8k, with fuel cut out at around 8300 or so and its got like 160 ft/lbs to the crank at around 6500, I'd say from a dig no contest, from a roll, probably still the gti (mkiv and mkv), but maybe less convincingly, so chipped should be a good easy win

[kryptonkid07]

are you factoring in the power to weight ratio?

[D.Light]

Originally Posted by kryptonkid07

are you factoring in the power to weight ratio?

about 350-400 lbs (using mkiv weight) less then the gti so I figured that the complete lack of usable tq was more important

[kryptonkid07]

Honda S2000:

Horsepower: 237
Torque: 162
Weight: 2855 lbs.
Power to Weight Ratio: 12:1 (for every 12 lbs. you have 1 HP)


Mk5 GTI:

Horsepower: 200
Torque: 207
Weight: 3151 lbs.
Power to Weight: 15.8:1

[D.Light]

Originally Posted by kryptonkid07

Honda S2000:
Horsepower: 237
Torque: 162
Weight: 2855 lbs.
Power to Weight Ratio: 12:1 (for every 12 lbs. you have 1 HP)


Mk5 GTI:
Horsepower: 200
Torque: 207
Weight: 3151 lbs.
Power to Weight: 15.8:1

Then look at tq, then look where the tq kicks in for a gti around 3k for an s2k around 6500, then guess who gets off the line first and moving faster quicker

[kryptonkid07]

yeah, but then once you're rolling and it hits VTEC, it's an added boost. And then you're looking at getting passed...

off the line, maybe quicker... but then you gotta keep going for a 1/4 mile or something.


i can't believe i'm defending a Honda.

[Teh Chr!s]

Best Way For U To Find Out Is Run One Urself Krypton And Then Ull Know ....Especially Since Unless U Have Chipped And Kept It A Secret Ur Still Pretty Much Bone Stock With An Intake Am I Correct On That

[Cleverlines]

Yeah check it out. Im on stage one and raced my friends gti chiped as well mk5 and we're both even. Maybe the s 2000 wasn't stock. idk. Thats what he told me. We went for it for a while too and neither of us passed eachother at all.

[Cleverlines]

Oh and btw the race was after i was playing around my friends gti and a g35 and a few from a dig starts with the s 2000. So idk if that affects anything. Im sure it does because i was running hotter then before i guess.

[zeonic]

Originally Posted by Cleverlines

Oh and btw the race was after i was playing around my friends gti and a g35 and a few from a dig starts with the s 2000. So idk if that affects anything. Im sure it does because i was running hotter then before i guess.

the stock IC heat sinks very quick and isnt very useful after a few runs. the power loss is noticeable, to say the least. that could very well be the culprit.

[Cleverlines]

Maybe. When I race another s 2000 with no previous speeding etc i'll repost and we'll see the results. I'm heading over that same area tomm. I highly doubt i'll find another race but who knows

[D.Light]

Originally Posted by Teh Chr!s

Best Way For U To Find Out Is Run One Urself Krypton And Then Ull Know ....Especially Since Unless U Have Chipped And Kept It A Secret Ur Still Pretty Much Bone Stock With An Intake Am I Correct On That

x2 you really have to race one to know, the s2000 isn't to special really it's got a very narrow power band which is all way up top, plus tq is what pulls the car through so any time you're moving you could really use it

[boostedJTi]

first hand my mkiv ate an s2k from a dig. I made the guy give up before he hit 2nd gear...

On another note, after drifting an s2k, the power band up top pulls so much harder than that in a Gti so if you're chipped it'd be fair game I imagine...

[CMAK]

but after the race he still has a *** women's car and you have german engineered beast that has won best engine for 4 years in its class

[Brennon]

Let's be serious guys... I'm sure God himself drives a GTI, but you're all claiming to beat S2000s that have more power and less weight? The GTI is a great car and has far more added convenience and practicality than an S2000, but the S2000 is the faster car. And no, even off the line with the added torque, with equal drivers the RWD S2000 will beat you there too.

[Teh Chr!s]

Well Believe It Or Not Ive Killed 2 Seperate S2k's And A New Mustang GT ... The 1st S2k Was Stock ... 2nd S2k Was Apr Stage 1 And The GT Was Recently On MY APR Stage 2 Setup And I Walked Him

[boostedJTi]

I ate an s2k from a stop with just a CAI in my old mkiv... The kid gave up before he hit 2nd gear.

[D.Light]

Originally Posted by Brennon

but the S2000 is the faster car. And no, even off the line with the added torque, with equal drivers the RWD S2000 will beat you there too.

A.) No, no it's not, and if you had been reading this thread you'd realize that,
"Horespower sells cars, torque wins races."- Carol Shelby
B.) Plus Peak Tq at 7500 is useless, even with RWD you're still gonna burn the **** out of your tires, so you're going to need a better driver in the 2k to actually get a good launch in where as with the gti rev to 2700-3100 and drop the clutch, shoot I can do that

[Teh Chr!s]

LOL Some People Just Wont Understand Until They Race One

[boostedJTi]

Now when it comes to second gen rx7 vs. mkiv.... More info on that in a month or so

[Teh Chr!s]

haha :P u meen dlight is actually gona run u O.o

[boostedJTi]

He says he's got the balls... Than again, he's 2 parts away from stage 2 and one of them is in my room lol

[ak1551]

My stock GLI lost from a 60 roll on the freeway, but won from a dig and 20 roll. So it truely is the placement of power. So many people don't understand the concept of the area under the curve. That is the true test of an engine. A car that has less peak horsepower than another can still be as fast or even faster.

[D.Light]

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

He says he's got the balls... Than again, he's 2 parts away from stage 2 and one of them is in my room lol

you know I'll run you lol was that ever a question, come on now I may loose but hell I'm gonna try I was playin with a lambo one night, but he wouldn't bite. So are we talkin the rex or when you get the audi?

[boostedJTi]

rex.

Audi wouldn't be fair... :P

[D.Light]

Originally Posted by boostedJTi

rex.

Audi wouldn't be fair... :P

Because your audi is going to destroy worlds, the rex, maybe just countries

[Brennon]

Originally Posted by dlight88

A.) No, no it's not, and if you had been reading this thread you'd realize that,
"Horespower sells cars, torque wins races."- Carol Shelby
B.) Plus Peak Tq at 7500 is useless, even with RWD you're still gonna burn the **** out of your tires, so you're going to need a better driver in the 2k to actually get a good launch in where as with the gti rev to 2700-3100 and drop the clutch, shoot I can do that

Hmmm...okay...

So let's take my dyno for example

My car only has 170 ft lbs of torque (at the wheels), but it runs a 12.4 quarter mile and does 0-60 in 4 seconds. More torque is almost always helpful, but you need to realize that the S2000 is quite a bit lighter than a GTI. My car is just under 2000 lbs. For the record, I don't own an S2000, however, I've driven both a GTI and an S2000 extensively. The GTI is much more practical and the much better daily driver.

[Teh Chr!s]

LOL Graphs And Numbers Man ..... What Ever ....Like I Said Take Numbers Out Of The Picture ....Get A GTI And A S2K ....Line Em Up And Run Em Ull Get The Same Results Ive Gotten 2x And Clayton Got On The One He Ran

[Brennon]

Originally Posted by Teh Chr!s

LOL Graphs And Numbers Man ..... What Ever ....Like I Said Take Numbers Out Of The Picture ....Get A GTI And A S2K ....Line Em Up And Run Em Ull Get The Same Results Ive Gotten 2x And Clayton Got On The One He Ran

I'm not saying it didn't happen...he could have been running on 3 cylinders? Maybe he liked his clutch? Who knows?

A GTI runs what, high 14's stock in the quarter? An S2000 is high 13s to low 14s. GTI is a great car, but like I said, with equal drivers it's not the faster car.

[D.Light]

Well if your car is less then 2000 pounds and has 175 ft. lbs congrats but....... why do I care if it's not an s2k if that's what we're talking about your car probably gets its tq before 7500 rpms so it's actually usable, look at the powerband on that car, terrible for daily driving and decent for 1/4 mile runs, all up top nothing there to pull you up that high
GTi > S2000

[Brennon]

Originally Posted by dlight88

Well if your car is less then 2000 pounds and has 175 ft. lbs congrats but....... why do I care if it's not an s2k if that's what we're talking about your car probably gets its tq before 7500 rpms so it's actually usable, look at the powerband on that car, terrible for daily driving and decent for 1/4 mile runs, all up top nothing there to pull you up that high
GTi > S2000

I was making the point that torque without taking into account horsepower and weight is rather useless.

Of course the GTI is better for daily driving. The S2000 is more of a track / weekend car. I've been saying that since the beginning.

[D.Light]

Originally Posted by Brennon

I was making the point that torque without taking into account horsepower and weight is rather useless.
Of course the GTI is better for daily driving. The S2000 is more of a track / weekend car. I've been saying that since the beginning.

Does everybody take into account that the s2k still weighs about 2800 pounds? pretty heavy for a car with no usable tq. plus with only 210 hp, it's going to get beaten by the gti everytime, it just is

[Brennon]

Originally Posted by dlight88

Does everybody take into account that the s2k still weighs about 2800 pounds? pretty heavy for a car with no usable tq. plus with only 210 hp, it's going to get beaten by the gti everytime, it just is

You mean 240 horsepower and it's real wheel drive? It's pretty easy to keep it in the power band with the 6 speed gearbox. It's more or less always in the 'usable torque'. Also, why does no one take into account gearing? It's geared quite differently than a GTI. This is the only crowd I've found aside from the guys over at hondatech and the SRT4 crowd that is so insistent that their front wheel drive car is the fastest thing out there.

They are both great cars. GTIs are great cars and S2000s are great cars, but they both fulfill different purposes.

[D.Light]

Originally Posted by Brennon

You mean 240 horsepower and it's real wheel drive? It's pretty easy to keep it in the power band with the 6 speed gearbox. It's more or less always in the 'usable torque'. Also, why does no one take into account gearing? It's geared quite differently than a GTI. This is the only crowd I've found aside from the guys over at hondatech and the SRT4 crowd that is so insistent that their front wheel drive car is the fastest thing out there.
They are both great cars. GTIs are great cars and S2000s are great cars, but they both fulfill different purposes.

When did I say FWD was the best? And when it's peak tq is at 7500 rpms and when you shift at 8200 or so that is not usable, plus the mkv is a 6 speed gearbox as well so what does the gearbox have to do with anything? and yeah it's geared dif. but they are also made to shift much higher because they have 0 low end, also they've done dyno testing on stock s2k and they usually net about 200-210 hp at the wheels, look this thread is made to compare the gti to the s2k which as people have seen the GTI is superior to the s2k in daily driving, interior comfort, fuel economy, and balls out performance