Help with Water/Meth

[WaZzAp1101]

Hey guys, I have an 07 MKV GTi, nd Im putting together a water/meth kit. Im not gunna get those ready made kits cuz most of them are expensive. Anyway, im looking for a nozzle. Can anyone w/ experience in water/meth tell me whats the best size nozzle to get ( ie: xxx mL/min ). Im only installing 1 nozzle, and my current relevant performance mods are : carbonio intake, APR 93 octane tune. I wont be going past stae 2+, so no k04.

Thanks in advanced

[WaZzAp1101]

[06blkmagicGTI]

Good luck, I've been looking for the same info. From what I've gathered it's not the best to do on APR.

[WaZzAp1101]

Originally Posted by 06blkmagicGTI

Good luck, I've been looking for the same info. From what I've gathered it's not the best to do on APR.

seriously, how come?

[06blkmagicGTI]

I was told it won't work because APR doesn't support water/meth kits? I guess, I'm not sure?

Silly VW's are nothing like working on other cars, lol.

[WaZzAp1101]

o hah, It sounds kinda weird. If anything its gotta be helpful. Since we're pushin more boost the compressed air is hotter, so water/meth injection acts as a boost cooler. But, I look around nd read up about Water/Meth vs APR.

[06blkmagicGTI]

I'm interested to find out as well.

[WaZzAp1101]

Boggng is a negative I can think of. But you would get that if u spray at a low boost, like 1-3 psi or somthing. Im gunna set the injectors to go off at 10 psi.

[07GTIMYFAST]

For stage 2+ I beleive the snow performance kit uses a 225 nozzle, I think 175 for stage 1, don't quote me but check the snow perfomance site it tells you the siz of the nozzle they use

[WaZzAp1101]

sup guys nd girls, I ordered an outside mount nozzle from devils own sized at 441 ml/min (7 GPH). My kit is basically completed, now I just have to wait for the weather to warm up a little so we can get the install going. My fast is gunna love water injection

[WaZzAp1101]

hah, im reviving this thread cuz my homemade water/meth kit is basically completed. Either this weekend or next weekend, Ill be chemically intercooled

Check the 150 psi shurflo water pump. got it from devils own



I actually bought 3 nozzles, im gunna experiment with which one I like best.

[WaZzAp1101]

also, I've got a old gtec pro, anyone curious to see before and after whp gains with APR 93 octane program and carbonio intake? Lemme kno if anybody wats vids nd stuff.

[Teh Chr!s]

Yes Videos Plz ... Im Running APR Stage 2 Software And Plan On Doin A Meth Setup Soon Maby Fuel Pump Too

[WaZzAp1101]

YO guys nd girls, my water injection is completed, and my reaction is, HOLY MOTHER OF GOD. U just pull nd pull nd pull, its amazing. Rite now Im running regualar washer fluid so its not much meth, but wow, its amazing. I can spin my tires if I gun it even at 50 mph. Hopefully, Ill get u guys some gtec pro results, vids, and other stuff tomorrow.

Stage 1 APR and Carbonio intake: 226whp which is like 259 at the crank given 15% drivetrain loss.
Temperature: 43 degrees


Tomorrow, I'll gtec again

[volcano]

i want water/meth and a fmic

so how much did you spend by getting ur setup together instead of buying a kit

[WaZzAp1101]

I put in about $145 into this (the pump, nozzle, etc). My uncle gave me a pressure switch (those shudn't be too expensive). Those are the 3 big things. All the rest includes tubing, pump fittings, wiring, mini-clamps, relay. Those things combined is very inexpensive. Altogether, it was way less than the $470 Snow performance kits, or the $300 something devils own kit. I'll be posting a vid a little later of what everything looks like. Probably no gtec results because NY is having crap weather rite now nd the roads are kinda wet but look out for some results maybe late next week.

[WaZzAp1101]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSyBt1eATWk&feature=channel_page

Heres a vid of what the system looks like as of today. THeres still a few kinks that need to be worked out though.

[Teh Chr!s]

Ur Cruise Control Be On Sir Shut It Off Lol

[06blkmagicGTI]

Isn't that the DRL light? lol

[Teh Chr!s]

DRL Light ?? I Aint Gotts One Of Them Or DRLs LOL

[WaZzAp1101]

yep, its the DRL, cruise control is off

[06blkmagicGTI]

So...was 226whp with w/m or before w/m?

[D.Light]

I think I may fab one of these up with some of my refund looks like a fun easy enough project kudos to you sir

[WaZzAp1101]

Originally Posted by 06blkmagicGTI

So...was 226whp with w/m or before w/m?

226whp before the w/m. I wanna gtec pro it again, but NY just got hit with like 10in of snow, so no results for another few days

[06blkmagicGTI]

I'm near Buffalo and we have no snow, lol. It's just cold as ****.

[WaZzAp1101]

Originally Posted by 06blkmagicGTI

I'm near Buffalo and we have no snow, lol. It's just cold as ****.

I'd take the cold, snow is a b**** lol

[06blkmagicGTI]

I spoke too soon, just started snowing lol.

I can't wait to see the gains after the w/m

Are you dsg or manual?

I'd love to hit 250whp with intake, downpipe, w/m and a fuel pump and be done with engine mods

[D.Light]

Stage 2+ tuning would help ya too

[06blkmagicGTI]

Sorry I should have mentioned that too...lol. It's free once you have stage 1 anyways. woohoo

[D.Light]

Lol they want 20 from me for labor to retune because I got mine used but its cool cuz I got my chip and a new ecu for 350

[06blkmagicGTI]

Holy ****ing sick deal lol.
I'd be happy to pay 20 too haha

[D.Light]

Lol right haha

[WaZzAp1101]

Originally Posted by 06blkmagicGTI

I spoke too soon, just started snowing lol.

I can't wait to see the gains after the w/m

Are you dsg or manual?

I'd love to hit 250whp with intake, downpipe, w/m and a fuel pump and be done with engine mods

I've got dsg

Im planning on buying APRs DP at waterfest, so soon stage 2 w/ w/m injection. It sounds cool rite, stage 2 w/ water injection. I wonder if I can get the stage 2+ file from APR w/o the fuel pump. I should email APR

[WaZzAp1101]

Originally Posted by dlight88

Lol they want 20 from me for labor to retune because I got mine used but its cool cuz I got my chip and a new ecu for 350

Get this, $75 for a reflash for me at my shop.

[D.Light]

Originally Posted by WaZzAp1101

I've got dsg

Im planning on buying APRs DP at waterfest, so soon stage 2 w/ w/m injection. It sounds cool rite, stage 2 w/ water injection. I wonder if I can get the stage 2+ file from APR w/o the fuel pump. I should email APR

I really doubt it, I mean at that point your car would be using the WM pretty much as its main fuel source just because you most likely will hit fuel cut at peak tq

[WaZzAp1101]

Originally Posted by dlight88

I really doubt it, I mean at that point your car would be using the WM pretty much as its main fuel source just because you most likely will hit fuel cut at peak tq

This is true. But, it could work. I've got a pressure switch thats adjustable 2-10psi. Im thinking that stage 2+ program maybe turns up the boost a little bit across the band? cuz more boost is more torque, and with w/m, instead of sucking in just air, ur sucking in meth nd air, so more fuel. BUt im not sure, Im just thinking out loud now. Only way to find out is ask APR or look at logs nd stuff

[D.Light]

yeah but there's what 21 points that the software resets so boost is one but even then theres 20 more including fuel delivery via factory fuel system, which is why ocassional fuel cuts are not unheard of, I'm not 100% as to if meth could work in its place, but it just seems like at that point your loosing all the benefits of meth when they could be fully utilized. i.e. your car is under the most load, just my thoughts

[WaZzAp1101]

Originally Posted by dlight88

yeah but there's what 21 points that the software resets so boost is one but even then theres 20 more including fuel delivery via factory fuel system, which is why ocassional fuel cuts are not unheard of, I'm not 100% as to if meth could work in its place, but it just seems like at that point your loosing all the benefits of meth when they could be fully utilized. i.e. your car is under the most load, just my thoughts

ya, ur definitely rite. And now that I think about it, the boost that I see is like never the same. I gotta do some research, and I just sent APR an email, so im interested to see what they have to say. Ill let u kno when they respond

[D.Light]

Apr has a chart on their site with the efficency of the 2.0t fuel pump, lemme grab that for ya

I know thats an exageration as its stg 3 but you can imagine that even in the peak tq in the low end and mid range you'd experience a little leaning out if not an all together cut

[WaZzAp1101]

Originally Posted by dlight88

Apr has a chart on their site with the efficency of the 2.0t fuel pump, lemme grab that for ya

I know thats an exageration as its stg 3 but you can imagine that even in the peak tq in the low end and mid range you'd experience a little leaning out if not an all together cut

I kno that these stage 1/ stage 2 programs make pretty big HP gains at lower rpms (I think I read somewhere that APR stage 1 gives something like 50 HP at lower rpms), so Im guessing thats where the fuel cuts take place (the big boost spikes are also at lower rpms)? If so, my little theory w/ the water meth compensating for the fuel may still have a chance, but as you said before there are a bunch of things to take into consideration.